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Post by Jessica Hughbanks on Jul 2, 2008 12:20:38 GMT -5
Congratulations final 2, it's been a long emotional game and thank god it's basically over! Rachel.. your opening statement did nothing but piss me off and I hope you don't answer your jury questions in the way that you presented your opening statement. Are you honestly trying to tell me that you "played me" this entire game? I want to know who was your main ally or who you intended to go to the end with each week. Explain in depth each week of this game and how it played out and why. Be completely honest, I'm done with this fake shit. Jason.. now that was a good opening statement, I'm actually impressed.. honesty is definately key. The only real comment I have to make to you is why were you so cowardly at moments and worried about pissing people off, when in turn it is just a game. I think that may be a bit hypocritical of me to say based on those that know me from past games.. BUT when you really think about it, it is just a game. I think you did prove that you are in it to win when you took out the people that were your biggest competition near the end and that gains a heck of a lot of respect from people that fully play to win the game. I know that a lot of people think you did jack shit this game but I mean what some may not realize is that you actually did everything you did ON PURPOSE and it totally worked for you, so for that you should be proud, you definately proved that you deserve to be in the final 2. I would also like both of you to rank the entire cast 1-15(excluding yourself obviously), 1 being the person that is the most deserving to be in the final 2 and 15 being the least deserving and beside each one, talk about that persons gameplay and say why you ranked them there. I think it's obvious which way my vote is swaying right now.. but theres still room to sway it in the other direction, so to both of you.. answer your jury questions completely honest and may the best person win. The least fake person will get my vote
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Post by Jason Guy on Jul 2, 2008 17:34:48 GMT -5
I was always playing the game to win. Every action I made, I thought long and hard about and made sure it was the right move to make since
I agree with you Jess, I was cowardly during the game, but only once, when I was HOH at final eight. The main reason I was, as you say: "cowardly" was just for the fact that I enjoy the friendships I have built in these games and do not want them to be destroyed. I do agree that it is a game and I should have stepped up sooner, but I still stand by the actions I made.
Had I nominated either Rachel or Chelsia, in Janelle's place it would have pissed off all three of them off. Even though people said I would not move up on their target list, I think would have. But still, I was not going to chance pissing all three of them off when I was sitting in a good position with them where I was. I had gotten away with nominating one of them and really only had Janelle a little peeved at me. I came out of my reign as HOH with both sides hating each other even more, since it was revealed that you and Eddie used to date that round.
Now for the ranking of everyone. This was really hard towards the end.
15 Josh - Josh made this game way too personal, way too early. If he had just kept his cool after the first HOH he would probably have done a better job. But still, he just had a bad rep from past games he had played with people and he did not just play the hand he was dealt very well.
14 Mike - Boogie? Was he in this game? I totally forgot. I do not even know his screen name. I do remember Will and Boogie being nominated, I am exaggerating. But I do not remember Boogie very well and I think if he was more memorable then he would have played a better game.
13 Jen - Overall Jen never recovered from the lies Chelsia made up about her week one. If she had she would have gone farther and I could rank her as playing a better game.
12 Scott - I never saw Scott actually do anything. He never made an attempt to really build allies he just asked people to not vote to evict him when he was nominated. He was not really that active and he has kind of gone MIA even though he is a juror, it just makes me feel like he was not super into the game like others were.
11 Amanda - Like Jen, Amanda was assaulted at nomination ceremonies and she was attacked by other players. If she had maybe been nicer and not as fake to so many people she might have gone farther. She did place high in lots of HOH competitions.
10 Drew - From what I heard, Drew most people evicted becuase he was aligned with Dave. I really thing it was a tad unfair for Drew. He made a strong ally in Dave, but that might have been his flaw. Everyone knew that Dave had loose lips and aligning with him might have been Drew's mistake.
9 Nicole - Nicole would have been ranked higher had she made it farther in the game. But I know for a fact that she was making alliances and building relationships. Dave just though she was shady and it was the death of her.
8 Will - I did not really talk to Will until the final nine. I never really saw him online and just kept forgetting to send him a PM. Will was playing a very solid game. He was doing well in the challenges and was not the biggest threat on his side. If Eddie have voted to keep him, things would have gone very differently, and I think they would have gone in Will's favor.
7 Dave - There was a reason Dave had to be backdoored if we wanted to get him out. When he won the first HOH, I remember thinking that he was going to be a huge threat. That first HOH really made me see how much of a threat he was. I knew then that I was not the only one that he had flattered within the first few days. he created an army very early in the beginning, it just turned out that his allies turned on him and nominated him.
6 Chelsia - Oh lord. Chelsia was one of the most entertaining people in the game. I love reading everything she said, and some of it shocked me. Chelsia kept pushing the line and I loved it. Although a few times he went over the line and made things way to personal. Overall he was playing a great game. He was extremely honest and upfront with everyone about what he was doing. The only flaw was that he did make things too personal. This is a game and people should not take actions that occured in this game outside of it.
5 Rachel - Overall Rachel was playing a good game. Although she seemed to make alliances just to make them, like just to secure her safety and not to make them in order to work with the person. But she was able to convince people that she was with them even though she was really with Janelle and Chelsia all the way. Rachel played a good game but she did not take ownership when she should have. At Dave's eviction she should have stepped up and said that Dave was a threat and that is why she was backdooring him. What she did made her look weak and like the strong player she as.
4 James - I still think that the James/Eddie vote was the hardest vote I had to make in the game. I had made my deal with James to be his ally and I wanted to keep him, but my gut was telling me to keep Eddie. James was playing a great game. He had shown he was able to win veto and HOH competitions and whenever you talked to him, he downplayed his challenge ability. Even though I could not stand the guy final ten or nine, I really grew to like him after my HOH week. I could tell that he had the same effect on other people. Some say that he lied too much, but I think he only lied when he had too. After he told me he did not have the special veto power I actually believe him for a second. He was a good liar and and underrated social game.
3 Jessica - Like me, Jess was playing the middle man quite a lot in the game. But her gameplay was a bust when she tried to turn on the girls with me, or get me to turn on the girls since that is what she wanted to do. She was working everyone. I do not think there is one person in the house she tried to not manipulate to her evil ways.
2 Eddie - The more I think about it, the more I realize how influential Eddie was. He was playing the game to win and not a damn thing was going to get in his way. He was able to turn the target away from himself many times and he is a charismatic guy. I guess that is why I never voted to evict him, I liked him. Eddie was on the block numerous times and was able to not get evicted.
1 Janelle - I am so happy I won that final four veto and was able to evict Janelle. Her game was amazing. She was playing a fantastic game and it hurt evicting her because I firmly believed that she deserved to at least match the placing of Janelle, or go even farther. Dominating in the challenges and Janelle never really pissed anyone off. Her gameplay was quiet, she did get into it with people when they deserved it or picked fights with her but other than that, she was playing an almost perfect game.
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Post by Rachel Plencner on Jul 6, 2008 13:22:21 GMT -5
I would like to note one thing before I begin my answer, here you are calling me "fake" when you are here pretending you even would vote for me. I know I am not getting your vote Jessica so why even pretend and be "fake" about it? There is no way you would lean my way in any situation.
Part 1
I don't understand why you got so mad at my opening statement. That whole "playing people" part of the speech was not directed to you whatsoever. I would've specifically mentioned your name if it was in any way related to you. I didn't play you the entire game, when we made our alliance it was solid and I intended to keep it to the final 4. Would I of voted Chelsia and Janelle off before you, I don't know. Probably not, but I am sure I was not your final 2 partner either in all of this. I never set out to "deceive" you. Every move I made and every decision I made I ran through you. When we needed to plan out how to evict someone from the game we did it together. We helped each other out throughout the game.
As for how the game went every week, I have posted a week by week analysis in Chelsia's question. I hope you read it for your answer as to what I did and what went through my head every week; however, below is a breakdown of each alliance I had per week (and agreements) in order of least important to most important.
Week 1 (Least to Most) F2 w/ Amanda Agreement w/ Drew Agreement w/ Nicole F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ James == F2 w/ Dave F3 w/ Dave & Janelle F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 2 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Amanda Agreement w/ Drew Agreement w/ Will (not to vote each other) Agreement w/ Nicole F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ James == F2 w/ Dave F3 w/ Dave & Janelle F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 3 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Amanda F4 w/ Nicole, Will & Jessica Agreement w/ Nicole F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Dave F2 w/ James F3 w/ Dave & Janelle F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 4 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Amanda F2 w/ Dave F3 w/ Dave & Janelle F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ James F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 5/6 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Dave F3 w/ Dave & Janelle F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ James F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 7 (Least to Most)
F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ James F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 8/9 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Jason F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ James F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 10/11 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Jason F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F4 w/ Jessica, Janelle & Chelsia F2 w/ Jessica F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 12 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Jason F4 w/ Jason, Janelle & Chelsia F3 w/ Janelle & Chelsia
Week 13 (Least to Most)
F2 w/ Jason F2 w/ Chelsia
Part 2
15 - Amanda: I think Amanda was the weakest player in this game. She came out to strong out of the gate making alliances left and right, then threw everyone she alligned herself with under the bus during the first HoH competition and then barely spoke to anyone for weeks after that.
14 - Jen: I think Jen wasn't social enough in this game so merit getting any further. I do commend her on coming out of the fight with Chelsia relatively unscathed.
13 - Scott: Scott had the major issue that he was never on AIM which hurt him terribly. He did try to talk to people through PM but I think it just wasn't good enough. I also think that when he received the prize of being self-nominated he should've attempted to try and get a top 5 spot to remove himself off the block.
12 - Mike: Mike and I never really connected that much until before his eviction. I think his main downfall was not being as social as needed. Had he spoken to me before Will week 2, perhaps the whole outcome of this game would've been different?
11 - Josh: Josh is a strong competitor and loves to charm anyone he speaks to. His downfall is that he has a very volatile temper which led to his nomination and eviction.
10 - Drew: Drew is really trusting and trusted Dave 100%. He was really bad at lying and I always knew when he tried to get incriminating information from me to show to Dave. I am pretty sure that Drew was in fact trying to get me evicted but I got to him first.
9 - Nicole: Nicole had it all and was positioning herself really well to make it far into the game. She made an alliance with myself, she had one with Scott, attempted to form another canadian alliance. All in all she worked it and only left the game because I was not 100% true to her. I am sure Nicole would've been in the game a lot longer had it not been for me.
8 - Jason: What a surprise? Not really for me. Jason can talk up his game all he wants but I don't think he did much more then win competitions to get here. He came in, barely spoke to others. Actually missed voting week 3 (I will comment on this below). The only time he finally really started to work was when he won HoH and even then he screwed it up (as much as he denies it). Then every week after that he stayed in the game due to his veto wins. Because had he lost at F5 on, he would've had my vote over any others left in the final 5. I just don't see much to his game in my eyes.
7 - Jessica: I know Jessica will be mad to see herself 6th on my list but my main reason is, she wanted to quit. This occurred multiple times, and as a host, I don't think quiters should make the final 2. That is my opinion. If it weren't for that reason, Jessica could easily be among the top 3 on this list. She is a fierce competitor, knows the game like the back of her hand. Can talk someone in the Sahara desert to buy sand. She has the skills to win any game she has her heart into.
6 - Will: Will makes 7th on my list because I think he played hard the entire game. He came in with no allies and had to fight 5 nominations to keep himself in the game surviving 4 of them. He was nominated week 2 and worked it. He tried to make an alliance with me when he knew he was in trouble week 6. All in all Will played the game very well.
5 - Chelsia: Chelsia has a knack for making alliances, she alligns with people who you never think would ally with her, including Scott and Jen. She is also a fierce competitor and always lets others know if she is "pissed AWF"
4 - Eddie: I am surprised to actually put Eddie here, but he was the person I was most scared of in this game and if the cards had played out right he would've made it to the final 2. He had the skills to round up others and throw down and I think he was in fact a fierce competitor even though he doesn't seem to think so (or so he tells me).
3 - James: James had everything going for him in this game, he avoided eviction so many times and was easy to talk to and make allies with. I am sure that James has the right stuff to make it far in any game he plays, he has the challenge, social and strategical skills to be an awesome player.
2 - Janelle: Janelle was not only a threat from day 1, she managed to avoid being eliminated for so long. She barely made any enemies and was a sure winner if she had made the final 2 with any of Chelsia/Jason/Myself.
1- Dave: Originally I was going to put Janelle in this spot but while answering other questions I had to rethink it. Dave was basically playing the same game I was. He had multiple allies and was willing to backstab if need be to get himself further. Dave was also a fierce competitor and I am sure, had he made it through week 6 he would be siting here in one of Jason or I's spots.
Now I want to comment on Jason and possibly not voting week 3. Jason stated that he had voted for Nicole the week she was eliminated. Now there were only 3 votes to keep Nicole: myself, Scott and Jessica. In fact, Dave and I had a conversation after Nicole had left the game because the vote was 7-3 = 10 when there should've been 11 votes.
[20:09] ajmong: btw... smart move on voting jen.... you would have blow your cover.... i was just so doubtful that nicole would go... well played! [20:10] ElMaestro999: i knew she would go regardless [20:10] ElMaestro999: and i wanted to make sure she believed me and jess did too [20:10] ElMaestro999: and everyone else knows i voted for jen too [20:10] ajmong: kk [20:10] ElMaestro999: cause i told everyone i spoke to [20:10] ajmong: do you know who didn't vote? [20:10] ElMaestro999: i would think maybe eddie [20:10] ElMaestro999: or will [20:11] ajmong: well... who voted jen... you, jess and scott? [20:11] ElMaestro999: or jason [20:11] ajmong: i bet it was jason [20:11] ajmong: but i dunno [20:11] ElMaestro999: very possible
So I submit the question, is Jason lying and actually voted for Jen that week or did he forget to vote that week as I suspect? If he missed a vote, it goes to show that he indeed was doing nothing the first few weeks of the game, including voting.
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Post by Jason Guy on Jul 6, 2008 15:50:37 GMT -5
My vote was late, but it still was a vote to keep Nicole. Out of all the weeks that was the one I had the least amount of time in, I really do not feel like justifying it, since it is kinda personal but if anyone cares to know I shall tell them.
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Post by Chelsia Hart on Jul 6, 2008 17:11:25 GMT -5
Wait you didn't vote that week? Or you voted late and it didn't count?
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Post by Jason Guy on Jul 7, 2008 11:32:39 GMT -5
Well my dad has Parkinson's disease and he was just not doing well that week and I spent the time I was not at school studying at the hospital with him making sure he was all right.
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